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Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:00 am

So, being that everything comes back to MX-5, I have been offered a free a mk2 that has failed it's MOT.

Currently awaiting more information on what's exactly wrong with it, but I believe labour costs are why it's not being fixed by the current owner.

Leads me to believe it's chassis rails and/or sills.

So, I've a contact that's a proven mx5 welder, a garage that can be cleared for indefinite work, questions is how much are replacement panels and where is best to source them?

I'd imagine one replaced waxoyl would need applied externally and internally on the chassis rails? How long would they likely last?

Engine , Electrics and Interior are all ok as far as I know.

Reason this seems a good idea, sell the S3 and use the cash for a house deposit.

Man maths seems to all add up, anyone able to offer another opinion?

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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby drumtochty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:14 pm

By the time you pay Vat and postage budget £100 for both side.

MX5restorer do a L haped panel and a further plate for the inside

Wayne at Mazdamenders does a U shaped panel that dose both sides and the base. The inside panel tends not always to go.

Your welder guy assuming you are helping him will take a day as you have to get the bumper and the top wishbones off the car.

Assume at least two patches to the rear sills if the arches have not gone. It is the sills that will fail the MOT.

If you apply goo to both the inside and outside of the chassis rails they will probably outlast the car.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:49 pm

drumtochty wrote:By the time you pay Vat and postage budget £100 for both side.

MX5restorer do a L haped panel and a further plate for the inside

Wayne at Mazdamenders does a U shaped panel that dose both sides and the base. The inside panel tends not always to go.

Your welder guy assuming you are helping him will take a day as you have to get the bumper and the top wishbones off the car.

Assume at least two patches to the rear sills if the arches have not gone. It is the sills that will fail the MOT.

If you apply goo to both the inside and outside of the chassis rails they will probably outlast the car.


Thanks Eddie, as ever a punctual informative response.

I believe it's the Mazdamenders panels I was thinking of, not a bad price for raw materials actually, as long as the rots not deeper. Are rear arch panels substantially pricier?

Have you got your mk2 on the road again?
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby IanH » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:16 pm

Scotty Dugg wrote:So, being that everything comes back to MX-5, I have been offered a free a mk2 that has failed it's MOT.


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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:26 pm

IanH wrote:
Scotty Dugg wrote:So, being that everything comes back to MX-5, I have been offered a free a mk2 that has failed it's MOT.


:lol:


No one seems to understand, once you go mx-5 there is not going back. Straight line performance is boring!

Awaiting a copy of the MOT at lunch time, see if it's worth having a look at.

Apparently only labour costs that have meant it not getting fixed.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:25 pm

Quick update on what it failed on:

So it failed on:
- Sub-frame Mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front
- Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded nearside rear.
- Seat Belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front upper (inner wheel)
- 2 Calipers binding, 2 springs snapped, 1 tire needs replacing, drop-link needs replacing.

Advisories on:
- Front and rear sub-frames have corrosion.
- Front and rear lower arms have corrosion.
- Pad and Discs.

Awaiting some pictures before deciding if it's worth viewing or not.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Bob the Train » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:43 pm

Scotty Dugg wrote:I have been offered a free a mk2 that has failed it's MOT.


Tek owt fer nowt. (My wife's from Doncaster).
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby drumtochty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:51 pm

Scotty Dugg wrote:Quick update on what it failed on:

So it failed on:
- Sub-frame Mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front
- Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded nearside rear.
- Seat Belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front upper (inner wheel)
- 2 Calipers binding, 2 springs snapped, 1 tire needs replacing, drop-link needs replacing.

Advisories on:
- Front and rear sub-frames have corrosion.
- Front and rear lower arms have corrosion.
- Pad and Discs.

Awaiting some pictures before deciding if it's worth viewing or not.


- Sub-frame Mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front

Clean maybe a bit welding rust converter and black chassis paint

- Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded nearside rear.

Clean, rust converter and black chassis paint
- Seat Belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front upper (inner wheel)

Yes welder required in here sometimes easier to make parts but sills and arches not that expensive.

- 2 Calipers binding, 2 springs snapped, 1 tire needs replacing, drop-link needs replacing.

Cost of these bits say £200 if you get reconned calipers otherwise just re rubber but only if fixing yourself.

- Front and rear sub-frames have corrosion.
Rub down and black chassis paint or goo to cover them

- Front and rear lower arms have corrosion.
Rub down and black chassis paint or goo to cover them

- Pad and Discs.

£150 or so to completly replace.

The kicker would be painting the bodywork that needs done.

To be honest unless you have lots of time it would be cheaper to buy one with an MOT and throw it away next year.

I reckon probably at least £1,000 to get it on the road plus paint.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:34 pm

drumtochty wrote:
Scotty Dugg wrote:Quick update on what it failed on:

So it failed on:
- Sub-frame Mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front
- Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded nearside rear.
- Seat Belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front upper (inner wheel)
- 2 Calipers binding, 2 springs snapped, 1 tire needs replacing, drop-link needs replacing.

Advisories on:
- Front and rear sub-frames have corrosion.
- Front and rear lower arms have corrosion.
- Pad and Discs.

Awaiting some pictures before deciding if it's worth viewing or not.


- Sub-frame Mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front

Clean maybe a bit welding rust converter and black chassis paint

- Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded nearside rear.

Clean, rust converter and black chassis paint
- Seat Belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded offside front upper (inner wheel)

Yes welder required in here sometimes easier to make parts but sills and arches not that expensive.

- 2 Calipers binding, 2 springs snapped, 1 tire needs replacing, drop-link needs replacing.

Cost of these bits say £200 if you get reconned calipers otherwise just re rubber but only if fixing yourself.

- Front and rear sub-frames have corrosion.
Rub down and black chassis paint or goo to cover them

- Front and rear lower arms have corrosion.
Rub down and black chassis paint or goo to cover them

- Pad and Discs.

£150 or so to completly replace.

The kicker would be painting the bodywork that needs done.

To be honest unless you have lots of time it would be cheaper to buy one with an MOT and throw it away next year.

I reckon probably at least £1,000 to get it on the road plus paint.


Thanks Eddie, Just had a look at it.

Mechanically sound, but the corrosion in the suspension arms would probably need replaced rather than rubbed down and painted.

The fathers involved now, may end up being his project but we'll wait and see.

Might try get it to the local garage to get a look underneath with the tray off to get a better idea.

Paint shouldn't be a massive issue, got a family friend that could sort that one out eventually.

Off to price up, will report back.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby drumtochty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:48 pm

If all the lower arms need replaced forget it as there is just too much to do.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:29 pm

drumtochty wrote:If all the lower arms need replaced forget it as there is just too much to do.


Not sure all, but basically the conclusion we have arrived at.

Shame as it's a special edition, but I don't think it's been under sealed.

If he lists it I'll post it up here for anyone else who might be interested.

If I had the space and skills I'd of snapped it up.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby IanH » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:19 pm

This one didn't come off, you're looking now though..... aren't you? :D
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:43 pm

IanH wrote:This one didn't come off, you're looking now though..... aren't you? :D


No :roll:

I'm always looking!

Still wanting a look at this ND of yours
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby IanH » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:28 am

Scotty Dugg wrote:
IanH wrote:This one didn't come off, you're looking now though..... aren't you? :D


No :roll:

I'm always looking!

Still wanting a look at this ND of yours


Feel free to pop round, happy to show it off.

Also we're having a Tech Day at Eddie's on 25th March, could be a chance to come along and catch up with everyone and get some 5 fix....
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scott_J » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:25 pm

still cheaper than an Elise Scotty :)
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:29 pm

IanH wrote:
Scotty Dugg wrote:
IanH wrote:This one didn't come off, you're looking now though..... aren't you? :D


No :roll:

I'm always looking!

Still wanting a look at this ND of yours


Feel free to pop round, happy to show it off.

Also we're having a Tech Day at Eddie's on 25th March, could be a chance to come along and catch up with everyone and get some 5 fix....


Always keeping an eye out to see if you're out and about, I'll send you a message when the roads are less salty.

Scott_J wrote:still cheaper than an Elise Scotty :)


:lol: don't I know it!

On another note, anyone aware of any rolling shells going about or where best to look? There's one in Bognor Regis but that's a tad extreme for collection.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby drumtochty » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:47 am

For info when replacing our Jeep recently, the best deals were down south and I got quotes for having one transported up to Aberdeenshire.

There are loads of guys with three car transporters that are cutting each others throat to get work down there.

You would get the shell up here for three hundred to three fifty pounds and not loose two days of your life driving a truck or a car with a trailor.

In the end, we gave the local Suzuki dealer the transport quotes and the websites where new Suzuki Jimny's were being sold and he moved well towards the down south prices.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby drumtochty » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:26 pm

Rolling Shells there was one on the OC website from a guy in Dublin that breakes MX5's and he could get no one interested.

If you are interested I will get his contacts for you.
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Re: Could this be number 3?

Postby Scotty Dugg » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:38 pm

drumtochty wrote:Rolling Shells there was one on the OC website from a guy in Dublin that breakes MX5's and he could get no one interested.

If you are interested I will get his contacts for you.


Thanks Eddie, very informative, let me liase with the man in charge and I'll get back to you.

He keeps saying we'll leave it then continues with his research!
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