NSE Pre Winter Tech Day

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NSE Pre Winter Tech Day

Postby drumtochty » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:59 pm

Can anyone please advise?

Have the premises been booked and where are they?

Will there be a knowledgeable member to run the day available?

What equipment needs to be brought along to assist on the day as some of us could help there!

I have a nice bright timing light and a CO meter.

While I am quite technical, I do not as yet have the specialist MX5 knowledge but after learning from someone else at a tech day, I would be happy to run one next year.

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Postby PaulDS » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:21 pm

I am looking to replace my cooling fluid.
Any reccommendations?
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Postby drumtochty » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:21 pm

Two litres of the cheapest for a Mk1, as it should be changed every two years or so!

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Postby PaulDS » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:41 am

drumtochty wrote:Two litres of the cheapest for a Mk1, as it should be changed every two years or so!

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2 years or so


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Postby mgrays » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:09 pm

The long life stuff is only 10-15% more from Autosave for the Comma stuff which is the same stuff as Mercedes uses basically.. and lasts 5 years... well it has in my Seat so far (factory/OEM).. and now the Roadster is on it too. So if you are maint light touch this makes a lot of sense. :wink:
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Postby The Pram » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:54 pm

Hi Eddie, if you email me at the address I pm'd you then I will give you directions to the venue. It's not top secret but a neighbour of a family member that lets us "borrow" his business premises. It is in Insch anyway if that helps.
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Oh, and our tech experts Malcolm and Mark will be there and they don't come better than that (runs and ducks for cover from all the other experts :wink: )
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Postby drumtochty » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:20 pm

mgrays wrote:The long life stuff is only 10-15% more from Autosave for the Comma stuff which is the same stuff as Mercedes uses basically.. and lasts 5 years... well it has in my Seat so far (factory/OEM).. and now the Roadster is on it too. So if you are maint light touch this makes a lot of sense. :wink:


I had a look at that stuff in Autosave but wundered why in my case Subaru and Suzuki both cars less than three years old still do the 2 year thing with anti freeze. Could be to increase dealers profit? I just wundered what the story was!!

In saying that apart from cars that are serviced by franchised dealers, I'm of the opinion that most small garages do not change anti freeze at 2 years especially in Aberdeen as the majority of owners just want their cars serviced as cheaply as possible and do not want to pay for that extra part on the service as £20 is £20 after all!!

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Postby Colin » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:11 am

Lorraine, if there's going to be expertise on sealing a new car before the winter rust kicks in then I'd love to come if I'm free and there's a space for an NSSer.

Let me know the date.
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Postby mgrays » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:56 pm

drumtochty wrote:I had a look at that stuff in Autosave but wundered why in my case Subaru and Suzuki both cars less than three years old still do the 2 year thing with anti freeze. Could be to increase dealers profit? I just wundered what the story was!!


It is a different technology and there have been issues with GM in USA using an American copy of the Euro technology where the new stuff made in USA softened plastic parts and hence overheated/killed engines. Also issues on truck engines for reasons I do not fully appreciate :? The Comma stuff is German and has no history of problems.

Old stuff removed oxygen from water and hence prevents corrosion but this is time limited as eventually the "oxygen eating" part uses up all it's chemical and so wears out. It is generally Blue.

New stuff actually oxidizes the surface of the engine with protective layer (so I guess making car run hotter but the heat transferance is better so it does not). So the chemical pack only runs out when more untreated surface is exposed e.g. a wonky water pump rubbing/wearing a surface clear. This is OAT or Organic Acid Technology. So it lasts at least 5 years and probably considerably longer as the chemical is not used up by air. It is generally Red.

The anti-freeze part is still ethylene glycol based in both cases.. it is just the anti rust part that has been messed with.


Old = Comma XStream G48
http://commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/353
BASF Glysantin
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New = Comma XStream G40
http://commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/352
VAG, Scania approved
OAT/Silicate based & BASF Glysantin
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New but Nitrite free for big Diesel trucks
=Comma XStream G30
.. which I guess is the ultimate!
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Postby The Pram » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:15 pm

Colin, all being well it will be this sunday. If you are going then I will email you the directions. Sorry I wont be there to see the new motor. I only had a wee looky of Malcolms the other night in the dark!
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Postby drumtochty » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:51 pm

I also had a look at the Comma site.

Both the Subaru Impreza and the Suzuki Jimny on the Comma site are advised to use the G30, 5 year stuff. As are the 1998 to 2005 MX5's Mk2

The Mk1 MX5s are advised to use the 3 year stuff.

I do not think there are any real differences between a 1997 and a 1999 MX5 so I would think the 5 year stuff would be good in them all.

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Postby PaulDS » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:03 pm

See you there back of 11am
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Postby The Pram » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:08 pm

Don't forget the clocks change tonight.

Menu - tattie soul followed by aplpe crumble and custard

Dont forget to ask Frances how much you need ot chip in for food and garage :lol:

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Postby Mark S » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:18 pm

Just thought I'd add a little, mostly for Mrgray who's Anti-Freeze side may still be working after 5 years but Inhibitors are shot.

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This is what happened to my head gasket because the anti-freeze hadn't been change regularly.
It also damaged the head, and after I got the head skimmed, I also found it had damaged the block so I couldn't stop the water leaking into the cylinder & hence create big clouds of steam behind my car (& I mean BIG, people 100yds behind were slowing down as they couldn't see)

So I'd advise you to change your Anti-Freeze more regularly for the Inhibitor side of it's properties.

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Postby PaulDS » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:03 pm

Thanks guys.
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Postby drumtochty » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:12 pm

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Postby Colin » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:36 pm

The Pram wrote:Sorry I wont be there to see the new motor.

Lorraine, you had the privilege of being the first person I brought the car to show off to back in April!

I've resisting plastering photos of it all over this forum, but my finger's twitching ...
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Postby drumtochty » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:48 pm

It's now nearly 7:00 pm and I cannot eat a thing due to the size of the lunch.

Lorraine that woman should be banned for the amount of pudding she produces and it would have been bad manners not to have two big plates of apple crumble and custard and then a plate of her amazing jelly.

I had to only have one plate of soup in order to leave room for the pudding.

What a lady she is, can you thank her again for the lunch and I'm sure all the others would agree!!!!

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Postby IanH » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:19 pm

Splendid indeed, catering especially, thanks to all for assistance, will post some photo's in the next couple of days. :)
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Postby liathach » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:22 pm

Finally made it back to the PC. I'd like to second the comments re lunch. It was wonderful! I think only Drumtochty wimped out on the "seconds" of soup. The rest of us tucked in and made a good fist of the apple crumble and the fluffy jelly!

Good "craic" as well folks.....thank you!
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