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Mk1 or 2

Postby ListonEunos » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:55 pm

If like me you have peek at the goodwood website on a daily basis you will see that Steve has a 10ae on its way. Fortunately for me it's my deposit that's been taken and I'm just waiting to see it before handing over the rest of the readies. My dilemna is I'm really happy with my mk1 and I was thinking of keeping it but I've had 3 cars before and it was just a hassle. Anyone got any thoughts on what car they would rather have, a nice mk2 or a mk1 which is rust free but needs a few grand spent on it to make it mint? :(
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby IanH » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:52 am

Personally a guaranteed rot free 10ae would do it, I'd make sure it got proper protection added to the car before using it on our roads in anger.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby drumtochty » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:22 am

I would prefer the Mk2 as it is a newer revision of the design and has more suspension travel, therefore in my opinion an easier cat to live with. It is a more rigid car and has better crash protection due to lessons learned over 18 years of Mk1 production.

With regards to rust both the front chassis rails and rear quarters /sill rust even in Japan but I have a Mk2.5 that lives in Laurencekirk on my lift two or three times a year and it is mint.

Therefore your car needs the rust protection refreshed and cavities done as Ian advises.

In saying that it is some 18 years old, therefore it is not out the question that in four or five years it may need some body work done say £2k to £3k but that is just the price of running an old car. You are paying approx. half the cost of the depreciation of 3 years on a Mk4.

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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby mgrays » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:56 am

Mk2 verus Mk1
Little longer rear suspension travel but you can retrofit Mk2 to Mk1 pretty easily.
Crash/stiffness .. a little bit in it but not much. The Mk2 is basically the same structure as a Mk1 but has about 8 extra very small plates in it to make it stiffer.. I kept on meaning to buy a scrapper Mk2 and install them but have a few extra stiffening brackets instead.
It all depends on how long you keep it and how good the car is in the unseen parts. Ideally you want to a camera down the sills, inner rear wings and front chassis legs. Saying that a Scottish Mk1 that has seen 2-3 winters verus a pampered Mk2 from England will always end up with a pampered non salty English car winning. The Mk1 will become more classic sooner but the 10AE will be a classic for sure - just don't drive those wheels in the rain; they were bad within 18 months of launch! Ultimately they both work and if you want to scratch that itch then go for it.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby drumtochty » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:13 pm

Never done it but people say a MK1 car with Mk2 suspension looks very high.

The guys at Autolink warned me about that when someone wanted it done as they did it for owners in the past. Others say that is not the case.

The Mk1's went through at least one maybe two body stiffening mods one when the 1.8 engine came in, say 2003 for a particular set of international crash regulations.

Possible further mods around 1997 but that might not be the case.

The MK 2 in 1998 again was strenghtened for crash regs.

The Mk2.5 again in 2001 was strengthened again for crash regs.

The stronger and more bulky front chassis rails were a problem design wise to get the extra front end crash strength and keep the weight down.

The structural engineering solution did not take into account the effect of UK salt on the roads for the front chassis rails from 1998.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby ListonEunos » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:45 pm

I think I'm Leaning towards the mk2, at least I've had nearly 3 years of trouble free mk1 ownership. Still not heard where the 10ae is in the chain towards becoming mine. If I don't hear this weekend I'll send him a wee text.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby mgrays » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:34 pm

To fit Mk2 rear struts to the Mk1 you needed modified/aftermarket top mounts which gives you another 20-25mm travel. They would hit my amp so I never did!

Mk3 is a new car the rest are all just little improvements as Eddie says.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby ListonEunos » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:52 pm

Thanks for everyone's reply. I guess my next question will be how much is a rust free 1994 euros worth.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby drumtochty » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:02 pm

No rust, not needing a respray, with a nice not mint interior, a years MOT with everything working £1.5k to £3k.

Recently was involved with a MK1 S special, needing rear wings both sides and a new clutch but otherwise OK ish and a short Mot. Went for £750 went to a guy who could weld and had a mate in the sparing trade.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby ListonEunos » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:01 pm

Interesting, I wonder if I'd maybe get 2 grand. It's certainly worth more than that to me. Got pictures of the 10ae the other day, just waiting on it being registered.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby OldSpice » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:03 am

ListonEunos wrote:Interesting, I wonder if I'd maybe get 2 grand. It's certainly worth more than that to me. Got pictures of the 10ae the other day, just waiting on it being registered.

It'll be rusting somewhere. Simply a question of degree and how sortable at what costs, and how well it's eradicated. People miss things like scoping the inner sills, checking mild steel wishbone, and thoroughly examining the front chassis rails. It's old, mild steel, and from Japan which apparently does not use salt. Which is nonsense as salt is used in various areas prone to snow...... albeit sparingly. Imports rot as well, it's just on entry to the UK there is likely to be far less of it.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby drumtochty » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:35 am

If you go to http://www.mgmidgets.com

There are some very expensive cars there. Frogeyes the most expensive.

The guy advises online and I have spoken to him and other restorers that it costs more to properly restore the cars than even he sells them for.

I would get the Mk1 on the maket as it is now August or it may get too late for this year but no a worry if you have plenty covered storage.
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby OldSpice » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:53 pm

Funny old world. Saw a Japlink article an hour back explaining Mazda are recovering earlier Mk1s to rebuild..... I think for owners and to resell. Just happened to use a BRG like mine in the article. I do know that for a few years the Japanese have been keeping the cream for themselves but shedding, relatively speaking, the 2nd division stuff for export auctions. By 2nd division I mean slightly less than mint, not rotten sheds. There are, according to them, only 23000 left out of 120,000 JDM Roadsters cars registered in Japan remain. Writing is on the wall then. Canny imagine such a froth happening with later Marques. The inspiration of Colin Chapman prevails it would appear and is becoming desirable. Not surprised. The more that get slammed and rot the better. Personally, I suspect a 95 points Mk1 will rival prices we see for standard Ford cooking cars in the not too distant future. Anyone up for an 8k 1.6 ltr poverty spec Laser Capri...... Or a 10k Mk1 Escort 1300.....
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Re: Mk1 or 2

Postby 71NotOut » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:35 pm

I never bought my Eunos as an investment, rather I wanted as rust-free an example as I could get to use as a base for making my personal version of a retro-styled modern sports car.

I have spent the purchase price over again on what I would hope are quality parts, but know you never get back what you spend on modifying a car.

Saying that, if someone was to offer a completely silly price for it...:D :D

Having owned a Mk1 and Mk2.5, for my personal use (high days and dry days fun) I would always go Mk1 now.
If it was for more regular use, then maybe a 2/2.5 is slightly more sensible due to creature comforts being enhanced.
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